Monday, November 26, 2007

Is God a pessimist or an optimist?

So, is God a pessimist or an optimist?
How’s that for a Monday morning staff discussion!
Somehow as Deborah, our church’s Media Arts Director, walked into my office to tell me of some changes to our lighting for our new Christmas 07 stage design we ended up with this question in the air. I guess when you take a Berkeley educated engineer turned ‘post Sunday services philosopher’ trying to be marathon runner and sit her across the desk from a ‘thinks he’s a theologian’ who can’t figure out how to wire a plug let alone be bothered listening to how the new lighting might better show off his bald head ….but is a proven marathon runner – sparks might fly.
And they did …..but it was theological sparks - is God a pessimist or an optimist?

The question arose as we talked about Carolyn (my amazing wife) who always sees the positive and the good in all people. For Carolyn, its right at her core. Carolyn has a hugely optimistic outlook with regards to her fellow humanity. Deborah seemed to share this optimism. I’m not saying I don’t try to always see the good in people – but I guess I’m more pessimistic – I don’t always expect people to follow through on what they say, or deliver on their promises.

Here’s the weird thing – whether you are like Carolyn or like me – the issue isn’t whether or not people always deliver. Carolyn knows they don’t. The issue is – what’s our default position regarding our fellow humans?
What’s God’s default when he thinks about us?

Martin Lloyd Jones (a 20th century English preacher) once wrote “God only expects us to fail”. How’s that for pessimism. His premise revolved around the sinful nature we all have and either that theory or his own experiences told him that even our best placed intentions more often than not fail to match our actions ….and one out of one of us end up falling short of what we really want to be or do.

But is Dr Jones right? Does God only expect us to fail ….or is this a transferal of our own negative view of humanity, (or our highly Calvinistic understanding of human nature) onto God?
If we are made in God’s image – is God therefore not fully aware of what we truly could be …and every day he wakes up rooting for us to become it.

For this blog a theological answer is needed on this question. The theology revolves around the questions of ‘what has sin done to our souls?’ What is sometimes termed 'original sin' or 'inherited corruption' the blunt bible truth is that we all have inherited sinful natures because of Adams sin. Both Catholics and Protestants hold to this truth [Check out our Google It, Part 3 podcast 'What's the difference between Catholics and Protestants'.] Have our natures that were created in God’s image been completed marred by sin? Some theologians call this ‘total depravity’. Due to The Fall and our sin everything within us is biased to head south ...and God knows it and remains the pessimist.
But there is another way to look at this. Does part of God’s image that we were created in remain unmarred. Could God be an optimist. Our human natures are sinful - the Fall has corrupted us all ....but has the image of God gone or has it been vandalised, graffiti'd over ...but underneath it still remains and God, the optimist, is waiting, hoping that people will rise to be what they could be through his redemption and salvation.

There's more we could write on this .....but you might tell that I'm edging towards the optimist rather then pessimist.

But there's one more theology worth considering - the very nature of God. In essence God is love. This is not an aspect of his character - this IS his very essence. So here's the new question- "Can love ever be pessimistic?" "Are lovers always optimists?"
I think the latter. That's both the thrill and the danger of loving. You give your heart away risking it might be hurt - but you still give it away - the action of an eternal optimist. Is that not what the cross is all about? Would a pessimistic God die for us? Now you might argue - well that's why he died for us because he is a pessimist and he knows all we do is botch up. But go too far down that road and you make the cross an act of burdened good will - not an act of selfless love.

If you go further down this path the theology again points you towards seeing God as an optimist not a pessimist.

So is Carolyn more like Jesus than her pastor husband?
Is the wannabe marathoner more revealing the image of God than the marathoner?
Is it more godly to be an optimist than a pessimist?

You could argue, from what we've written - on both counts - yes.
Or the pessimist might suggest ....... maybe God remains optimistically pessimistic (or is that pessimistically optimistic?)
Either way .....he remains a 'lover of the fallen' - which hits both the optimist and the pessimist.

5 comments:

Anonymous said...

So when the conversation first began on this topic, I thought I was going to have to debate ferociously for an optimistic God, but it seems Gilbert has already made poignant arguments to reflect on for both sides.

In my threadbare theological thoughts I mused over such things as how God created the heavens and earth, humankind… and called it GOOD. Yes, I realize that was before the Fall, but it seems He must of have been hopeful to call it good. He didn’t say, “yeah maybe that will work” or “we’ll see”. If He were truly a pessimist regarding humankind, wouldn’t He have just stopped at the flood? Speaking of God’s very essence as love and using the analogy to lovers, Gilbert describes the eternal optimist. The Bible seems to reflect a love story where God is constantly reaching out to us out of love. He is hopeful of this relationship between humankind and Himself. Would the ultimate pessimist have even bothered with the Cross? Does our sinful nature speak of our value in its entirety? The scruffy messy humans aren’t worth saving or having a relationship with, so why bother? I believe that when God made us in His image, there lies something noble and hopeful in the undercurrent all by His doing not ours.

Or maybe we could reflect on a different analogy. When I think of a newborn baby or a child growing up, I could say I’m a pessimist, because I don’t believe the baby or child would survive on it’s own. The little one needs to be fed, nurtured, loved, taught, disciplined. But should our label as a pessimist or optimist come from just our thoughts, a described situation, or ultimately our actions? What do we ultimately do? We feed, nurture, love, teach, discipline, etc. Why? Because we are pessimists or because we are optimists? 

If you saw someone drowning in a river and you thought to yourself, “That person is not going to make it.” I suppose that could be a pessimistic view of their situation. If I go to try and help them, does that more define whom I am? Does my belief that they are worth saving- does the act of love- a reflection of hope- a reflection that something good can come of this, ultimately trump my initial thoughts of a sad situation? I think the cross is pivotal in showing a loving optimistic God. Pessimists believe nothing good can come of a situation do they not? Are there not millions of testimonies of good things happening with God’s divine intervention?

And what about the church, Christ’s bride? I know of a Scottish pastor who leads a local church, because he believes it is the hope of the world. It doesn’t sound pessimistically optimistic, nor optimistically pessimistic to me, but, dare I say, it sounds ...optimistic.

Anonymous said...

First time I've logged on to Musings of a Scottish Pastor...My husband told me about it, so, I thought I'd check it out...Cool!...Never commented on a blog spot either...Let's see...I'm definitely not overly blessed with the ability to "poignantly argue" or speak with "theological thoughts" (thanks for the great words deborah)...all I have is the thoughts in my little ole' head...kinda like if I was going to share with one of my little ole' friends (better described as my precious, dear friends)...So, in commenting on pessimist or optimist...God is an optimist..I think pessimism is a sin...I have been a pessimist a big part of my life, and I've seen what it can destroy...thankfully pessimism is one of the character flaws the Lord has transformed in me...When I was reading the bolg I began thinking about relationships, the friends or family who let me down...I used to EXPECT that they would... it's sinful, depressing, hopeless...In my life now I just see it as being human...we are human, we fail...I feel sorry and speak a little prayer for the person now instead of being angry that they have let me down. I try to outside myself and remember that they too have there own issues, their own silent saddness, hopelessness that I am not aware....and them disappointing me had nothing to do with ME... I love them dispite...and I am going to continue loving them...We are human and we will let each other down. God loves us dispite ourselves...right? Seems to me he is being optimistic...you know, TRY AGAIN!...He forgives so we have a fresh start and can try again...OPTIMIST! He calls us to follow his example...Such simple thoughts that get me through the day and life...They are filled with the spirit of HOPE....pessimism is hopeless...God offers us HOPE...right??...(We shouldn't expect this from imperfect humans and in case I didn't mention it, I am one of those imperfect humans)

Anonymous said...

I asked my coworkers the other day whether they thought God was an optimist or a pessimist. I have my own opinion but I wanted to hear from them, people that I don't really know where they stand on the whole God and church thing. I asked as I was making copies because I knew two (my favorites), who would be honest and opinionated, would hear and respond. The first just started laughing that familiar laugh that I love. It means he has been both suprised and challenged by the question. The other said almost immediatley that God is all-knowing so is neither optimist nor pessimist because He/She already knows the outcome.
With that the first responded, "Good answer." and asked what I thought. I said I was still thinking and then let them know that the question originated on this blog site.
I enjoyed the interchange, even though it was brief I am certain that both of these thoughtful people will think of the question again from time to time as I have.
My take home has been that if God can be optimistic about humankind and He/She knows the outcome that I should also live my life with an overriding spirit of optimism about both myself and my fellow humans.

Anonymous said...

Interesting to know.

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